Maths is ultimately based upon logic. Then how can maths make weird predictions that go against logic? How can anything contradict its own basic foundation and still be valid?
If our logic gets affected by our brain’s ‘misinterpretation’ of things that we see and perceive in our universe, why not maths get similarly affected? Why scientists swear upon the counterintuitive math models over logic?
Should the lay people blindly believe in all the stupid theories put forward by the ‘top’ scientists.
The stupid theory of ‘Toppers’
Occupants on the top floor of a complex multi-storeyed building theorize that the building actually stands upon pillars from the sky. They insist that what people see on the ground is not real. They preach that the truth is actually in the sky, and they, being on the top floor, could ‘appreciate’ it from very close.
They preach that the actual reality is vastly different from the illusions that people experience on ground. We the unlucky people on the ground who can’t reach to the top floor may be tempted to believe in what the ‘intelligent’ toppers preach. We might wonder “how could such a complex building stand at all, if what we see on the ground is not real?” but few will dare to question these ‘celebrities’ on the top floor.
The toppers argue that people on the ground are not only unlucky but are also ignorant. “How can people who can’t even climb to the top floor challenge what we preach? Obviously to experience the truth, people will have to come to the top floor. If they can’t, they should just believe in what we the intelligent toppers preach”.
Of course to reach to the top isn’t an easy task. One must please the celebrity professors on the top floor so that they pass a divine rope for one to ascend. And one must continue to listen to what they teach, and keep chanting what they preach. If at any time one argues against what the professors preach, one will lose the divine rope and fall to the ground only to get seriously hurt and humiliated. So one must be very careful and ‘diligently’ nod to them all along. Obviously by the time one ascends and reaches the top floor, having religiously chanted for years, even a hard core nonbeliever will get transformed to appreciate the ‘true reality’ over there in the sky and accept that ‘ground reality’ was an illusion.
If an occasional person, who manages to climb up to the top floor but retains the ‘ground logic’, argues against the intelligent clout and doesn’t acknowledge the sky logic, this ‘extremist’ will be thrown out of the ‘celebrity stage’ so that his cry will never be heard again. Darwin’s law of ‘survival of the fittest in the struggle for existence’ applies at all levels of civilisation. So no one would dare to commit such self destructive blunders of arguing against the ‘intelligent’ crowd unlike Galileo.
This is how scientists are produced in our modern scientific society. So no wonder that stupid theories like relativity and quantum theories survive and dictate science.
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I see no mathematics on your site, nor experiments proves relativity wrong. On relativity side I see mathematics and experiments and even application of relativity (GPS).
Learn maths learn physics and then try to prove it wrong.
You need to try much harder than this.
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Remove your relativity ‘spects’ and try again! If you still don’t see, consider going to an eye specialist!
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Here’s a great proof how math can reach crappy results, while completely sticking to the proven math methods. Here’s a “proof” that the sum of all POSITIVE INTEGER numbers is a negative number. But not just negative. Also fractional. As a result of adding integer numbers. Watch and laugh:
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The problem is that you are arguing with something which can be proven wrong by pointing at the mistake you see in the experiments and/or the mathematics. Saying that something is not believable is just showing that you did not take the effort to look into the details. I can understand that because it requires a lot of time and effort and people (scientists) are constantly trying to improve the current models we have for explaining the experiments. This probably requires a life’s work. If they manage to do it (falsify relativity by explaining the experiments an other way) they get Nobel prize for it, so why would they (the scientists) just accept these things as a religious fact as you suggest if the explanation is simple?
If you can falsify Einsteins theories you will get a Nobel prise and you will probably be one of the most famous people of the planet. Anyone can say that “it does not seem to me believable”, it won’t ,make scientists or anyone else change their minds because experiments say: you are wrong and reality does not give a s*t what seems to be probable to me or you.
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I have discussed at length about your stupid maths and also all the experiments that your pastors claim as proof of your stupid theory and exposed their misinterpretation step by step. http://debunkingrelativity.com/
The only way you can save your religion is by pretending as if I didn’t mention anything at all about your stupid maths and stupid experiments. And I must appreciate you are doing an excellent job in that way.
If a stupid mind claims the existence of an extra digit on his left hand as proof of absence of Ether, a sane mind will just say that it is weird and discard his stupid claim. Just like your stupid crowd, he might argue “well, that is what the observation (i.e. the extra digit) exactly tells. So you can’t cry it is weird or illogical. We have to believe in what the experiments/observations tell us and not what your sh*t logic might suggest”. A sane mind wouldn’t get convinced by these stupid utterances.
May be if you have a ‘scientific’ way of arguing against his ‘experimental proof’. May be you will show him some of your weird maths, take him with you around the earth eleven times in eleven flights in eleven directions (I am sure you wouldn’t forget to carry an accurate atomic clock), teach him about your delusion of relativity of simultaneity and then finally argue with him that his extra digit can’t alone disprove Ether without all your stuff.
You may be right in your own way ‘how can anything in science be discarded without maths and experiments? If a scientific claim can be discarded just by simple reasoning, what would happen to the vast number of scientists?’ But unfortunately for you, the discussion here is only for the sane minds.
As already mentioned to one of your crowd, if it was the Nobel prize that I wanted, I would have actually come out with another weird theory or added a new weird dimension to your already existing weird theories. Why would I talk about logic and common sense?
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To Pickma
You wrote:
” If they manage to do it (falsify relativity by explaining the experiments an other way) they get Nobel prize for it”\
Are you sure?? I think not. You have uncriticially taken the “Nobel Prize” and which it stands for for granted.It was given by thiefs and liars who stole the ideas from people outside the scientific community.And even Obama has gotten a prize for Peace! How sick is that?!
Please scratch a little more under the surface of the Noble Prize and you find
a lot, and I mean a lot, of corruption!
And..the Noble prize is ONLY for people who toe the part line!
here again, it is about CONTROL!
If the Nobel Prize was real, good and for true I would have gone to Tesla!
A towering genius, who has gives us so much! Radio, computer, wireless, light, and the list goes on and on. But , as I said, some people want control,. and Tesla was able to give people freedom.Hence, NO Nobel Prize for tesla!
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Great analogy. Very deep.
True understanding comes to those who relate themselves closely with God. Knowledge is nothing without true understanding and can be used to confuse the minds of the masses–much like some in our world have accomplished today. But never worry. If you can be like a child in your purity of heart and curiosity, the father will reveal things to you regardless of what any men have to say about it.
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Harold Johnson,
Are you f*#ing for real dude? The father u adore revealed nothing of value to humans at all. U know y?? Coz he ain’t real buddy!! Ever considered going to see a psychiatrist? If you do u can tell them bout ur imaginary sky daddy friend who grants wishes to some, yet let’s others die of starvation simultaneously!
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To Blue Heffnir,
Gee! Why so harsh! What has he done to you??
It is his personal opinion. Can’t you just respect that?
Or does it make you feel superior to behave this way?
It is not scientific, I know. Does it have to be?
Slowly but surely, I am over 50 now, I am beginning to understand there are indeed subte forces at work in this world. Call it the Creator, God, Allah. or as Indians call it “The Great Spirit”..
I am not claiming I understand it yet. I am saying that I am way far off from really understanding this world.
I really know I know so little, so little…..
I must say btw that what did help, was rejecting ‘mainstream’ science.
Not for religious reasons, but it is a mental prison.
Once I was out I understood that.
“If you are in a cloud it is difficult to see where you are going , when you are out of the cloud it is easier to see were that cloud is going to”
And, just to be clear. I am anti-religion and pro-spirituality. But don’t ask me what it means.;)
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My latest conviction is that true science will lead us to believe in God, help us experience His omnipresence and better understand His divine creation.
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To Blue Heffnir,
Please refrain from posting “non-intellectual” comments like these.They are hurdles to genuine arguments.
Thank You
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drgsrinivas,
Well, ok, but I personally belief that ‘science’ won’t because ‘science’ isn’t ment to, on purpose. But well, you are talking about ‘true science’.
Well, it might. I don’t know. I think it is a very personal path,
But that is just my opinion.
Because of lots of human experience, I am convinced now there are spiritual forces.at work. But it took, for me, a long time, to ‘see’ it. I think it is a process, a, journey.
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Well guys I’m about a year away from my first degree in physics. I believe I’m going to go ahead with grad school and I’m aware that I’ll likely be in the minority of people that goes in thinking that others in my field have the wrong idea about certain things in science. I don’t care about getting to the top, I don’t care about getting tenure somewhere eventually or anything like that. I live for one big thing in science and I will achieve it in my lifetime (well before the length of it actually).
The toppers theory is very important to me because it reminds me of what I may have to go through on the way to my certificate (But most likely, spend a lot of time ignoring). I do value becoming a certified professional over a period of time in the sense that I will have shown dedication to becoming a disciplined research professional. It is obvious to me already that modern physics is going to change very soon (as someone who already has research experience already in both cosmology and high energy physics), heck it is even obvious to the supposed masters of the field that a new breakthrough is needed. I know that I will be part of the breakthrough in a big way, and I understand that my source of inspiration doesn’t come from anyone in this “outer” world (if you understand what I mean) but rather it comes internally. Its funny because my goal has never been to change science, but to achieve it will require me to do so in certain aspects. Our methods are outdated and I must say, drgsrinivas has done a good job of getting me to consider the flaws in our assumptions. A group of people like this who are willing to push for truth in spite of established, “comfortable” ideas, is necessary for those of us who will go all the way.
Thanks guys. I appreciate you so much, you have no idea. Keep the ideas flowing, you inspire me a great deal.
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Harold Johnson,
Well, on the surface it sounds good to me.
However, and I don’t want to stop you anyway, be carefull.
What I mean with that is that slowly but surely you will be brainwashed in
subtle ways.If you can handle that, go forward and the more luck to you!
And you have the advantage of being warned! I had to unlearn so much!
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Fred Hoyle
“Because the old believers said that God came out of the sky, thereby connecting the Earth with events outside it, the new believers were obliged to say the opposite and to do so, as always, with intense conviction. Although the new believers had not a particle of evidence to support their statements on the matter, they asserted that the rabbit producing sludge (called soup to make it sound more palatable) was terrestrially located and that all chemical and biochemical transmogrifications of the sludge were terrestrially inspired. Because there was not a particle of evidence to support this view, new believers had to swallow it as an article of faith,otherwise they could not pass their examinations or secure a job or avoid the ridicule of their colleagues. So it came about from 1860 onward that new believers became in a sense mentally ill, or, more precisely, either you became mentally ill or you quitted the subject of biology, as I had done in my early teens. The trouble for young biologists was that, with everyone around them ill, it became impossible for them to think they were well unless they were ill, which again is a situation you can read all about in the columns of Nature.” (Hoyle F., 1999, pp3-4).
cadxx
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I would be very grateful for an account of what you actually do believe in Srinivasa Rao Gonuguntla as I may then be able to make more sense of your work and to decide whether my efforts to read your work is going to be worthwhile. I can accept a lot of criticism of the Big Bang Theory as it makes no sense and defies logic and evidence. I wonder how throwing Quantum Physics out, as you appear to do in your work, helps us as the Copenhagen interpretation does open our eyes to the notion that our consciousness is essential in this plane of existence?
Please let me know what position you are coming from, Religionist/ creationist or maverick scientist whose evidence has led to questioning of the theories widely accepted.
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@Henry
Duh? I see the same nonsene a lot with the evolution hoax.
Someone has to come from somewhere, or else…
Really? Can’t the theory all by itself be flawed?
Of course! Most physcis theories are extremely flawed and very very wrong.
Just look at the whole mess in ahum science!
You don;t have to ‘come’ from anywhere. Just use some
go’old logic and common sense.
That will do the trick!
My two cents
Galacar
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@Henry
I have given a brief account of myself here. https://debunkingrelativity.com/author/drgsrinivas/
I just believe in Logic and nothing else.
Never go by one’s background and judge things. The specialists are almost always wrong. The religious/ spiritual gurus don’t understand God and the scientific gurus don’t understand science. That is the plight of this modern educated society.
Do you think the Copenhagen interpretation of the cock and bull theory enlighten us about consciousness..?😄
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Thank you Dr.
I am in a medically related field too. I do question many things, in fact all things. The claims that Prions cause disease is what I am looking at now, it appears to be a scaremongering game that is making claims that are allowing much political and financial chicanery to mushroom out into the community and cause mayhem.
With respect to Einstein’s Relativity, I was having a discussion with a would be author who was a staunch believer in consensus science and claimed that it must be correct otherwise we would not have as much technology as we had today of not for science. I made the point that much technology was arrived at with little help from consensus science (I gave the example of the Wright Brother’s as one of many example). I said that relativity was still a theory. She ridiculed this all (obviously did not know anything about the heavier than air flying machine problems and how science was limiting that development rather than promoting it) and gave the example of how satellites and the tracking of ships and vehicles (GPS) confirms relativity as adjustments have to be made for the movement of the satellites in space relative to the earth. Ok. I need to do some more research but I am not convinced this effect could not be arrived at by more practical, trial and error means, and not relativity calculations.
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Note that it is not the maths of relativity that is at issue, because the equations do work. Rather it is what relativity means as an explanation / mechanism that is questionable.
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Well as Tesla once alluded to, it is possible to create balanced equations for any kind of notion a mathematician wants, but it may not relate at all to physical reality. It means nothing. They created maths for the Big Bang for goodness sake. A more implausible physical reality is not possible.
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Robin, welcome back.
It may be true that relativity maths predict to some extent how fast a clock would tick as it moves through the cosmic ocean of ether. (And one shouldn’t confuse slowing of a clock with time dilation!) But as I have said elsewhere, maths make up only 10% of relativity, the rest of it is mere psychosis.
The maths actually argue against the religion of relativity. For example in twin flight experiment, the equations seem to hold true only from the centre of earth observer. The maths fail utterly in predicting the time dilation from other reference frames, for example from the reference frames earth bound and flight bound observers :-
It was noted that the atomic clock in the east bound flight experienced time dilation as exactly predicted by the stupid SR. But from the reference frame of a passenger in that flight, it was the west bound flight which was moving very fast, so time dilation must actually occur to the clock in west bound flght. But this was not what the clock readings suggest. What it implies? The readings of the clocks (believing that the data was not cooked up by the ‘phychicists’ having been mesmerised by the stupid religion!) appear to obey the formula of SR only when looked from the reference frame of the earthbound observer. It implies that there exists an absolute frame of reference unlike what the relativity religion preaches.
And see my other reply about the accuracy of relativity maths in twin flight experiment https://debunkingrelativity.com/twin-flight-experiment/#comment-3383
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@Henry
You wrote “I am in a medically related field too. I do question many things,”
btw may I ask what medically related field you are in?
(Sorry, if I seem a bit off topic here, but I will explain myself in the last sentence.)
Ok, well, do your deep research in the medical field and you will find out it
is nothing more then a killing machine. But it does it in very clever and subtlle
ways. Maybe you don’t believe me because most of us are indoctrinated
that ‘medcine’ helps.Of course I am referring to mainstream-medicine.
Now, if you know that the forces behind the propaganda of the einstein-bollocks
are the same that are behind the promotion of mainstream-medcine., woulld you still trust mainstream medicine?
Namaste!
Galacar
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I am a therapist and not a user of drugs. I am aware that many drugs are destructive and am prepared to discuss those that might do more good than harm on occasions. Overall I see it as an industry that aims to make profit, hence bad health makes more money, curing does not. That does not make all Drs bad.
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I missed the part about the Copenhagen interpretation. I think it does help us in regard to consciousness as it places our subjectivity in a position of greater importance than the movers and shakers of our societies want us to believe. It has a value. It is a move in the right direction.
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@Henry
I apologize if I made the impression that “all doctors are bad”.
Of course not. Most of them have good intententions.
That doesn’t take away the fact that they are used as tools by
pharmaceutical companies.
Most of the time, those doctors have no clue how and that they are being used.
But, because it is rather off topic we can leave it at that.
Namaste!
Galacar
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Ok, maybe it is best to raise this with the site owner Dr Gonuguntla, who is a medical Dr. I am sure he must have a view on the relationship between medicine and the Pharmaceutical industry.
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Not just modern medicine but every branch of ‘science’ is driven directly or indirectly by some or the other industry. If it wasn’t pharma industry, some other industry would drive medicine. Ultimately it is finances and market that drive our the so called ‘science’. Of late I realized that there exists an inverse relation between money and truth.
As I have said elsewhere, all good things come for free in Nature (good food, good air, good water, true education, true medicine, true love, true happiness etc). One needs to buy/ compete only for the things that are harmful, addictive and misleading.
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I very much agree.
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I would also be very appreciative of of your view of the claim that Relativity is confirmed in the use of GPS. I am not sure why it should matter but it has been used by some to dismiss it as a theory only.
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@drgsrinivas
With all due respect and i think I understand where you are coming from, but
in the end it is only about power. Why? because the people who design this shit at top leve; are the same in charge of money etc. They have so much money that they are really not interested in profits at the end. However, money is used
to steer the people at lower levels, but not the lowest levels,.
This whole world is , in the end, created and architected and steered by extreme
sic psychopaths
Well, just my two cents
Galacar
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